The Hindu State – Initial and Hypothetical Thoughts

Hindutva is the political manifestation of Dharma in its role as protector of diverse Hindu Samaja, its jatis, janajatis & Hindu Bhumi

Since a State is the political representation of the Nation, a Hindu state must necessarily stand on the foundational strength of a Hindu nation. The essential difference between the Hindu state and the Indian state is not merely in nomenclature but substantial. In substance, the Hindu state will recognize the reality of an organic Hindu nation and the existence of minorities that have come about due to historical processes and live within the borders of such a state. The Indian state on the other hand does not recognize the existence of any Hindu nation whilst recognizing the existence of minorities; be they religious or linguistic. This in effect weakens the organic nation while strengthening fissiparous hopes amongst minorities.

The organic Hindu Nation

How can we best recognize this organic Nation? It is truthfully said that Hindu society is built upon the structures of jatis and janajatis. Jatis are endogamous groups around common traditions and/or occupations. These have nothing to do with character or Guna based Varnas which are a universal reality. Janajatis are otherwise known as tribes. Both these entities have throughout history interacted with and amongst each other, always growing and evolving. The absence of conflict between these entities and within each of them is not a necessary pre-condition of nationhood in the Hindu context. Nevertheless, given the hard reality that such bloody conflicts have been marked by their rarity, it is also understood that jatis and janajatis have co operated within a basic Dharmic framework of positive action and an inherent respect for differing value/belief systems that each entity might espouse. Such conditions have helped nurture a diversity of traditions, languages, food habits and rituals amongst the Hindu people, within given boundaries, unheard of anywhere else in the world. All these are positive signs of organic national life. Foreign invasions have played their part in either helping to, over time; assimilate invaders within the organic Hindu nation or in recognizing their distinctive character and keeping them apart as minorities.

Minorities and the Hindu Nation

In Bharat that is Hindusthan, traditional life is the norm. Numbers of people who are prepared to give traditional values a heave-ho in the name of “individual rights” in utter disregard to social responsibilities are thankfully still a minuscule minority. Traditional life is not restricted to the organic Hindu national society but is shared by minorities too. The reason they remain minorities is because their belief systems do not support the Hindu Dharmic framework of positive action and inherent respect for differing value/belief systems. Please note that I stress adherence to the Dharmic framework rather than numerical strength vis a vis the organic Hindu national society, as benchmark to classify a minority within national boundaries.

Status of Minorities in the Hindu State

A minority so differentiated from the organic Hindu national society will be completely free to pursue its religious and traditional life as long as it does not willfully hinder the safety and health of the Hindu nation. In the event that a said minority has historically evolved structures that cannot realistically cease activities that impede or interfere with the life of the Hindu national society, natural law should take over and the national society must win. Such a development will only do well for both nation and minorities.

Representation in the Hindu State

The Hindu state will be a representative democracy with Universal Adult Franchise – one man one vote. The age of franchise will be raised and certain basic criteria will be imposed. Since universal education is not the reality at present, criteria will revolve around dependencies and feedback from family and social/work circles.

The Hindu state having recognized traditional Hindu social structures of jatis & janajatis will evolve a mechanism of providing political representation to each of these jatis & janajatis. At the local levels such representation post political primaries will start from the grama/upa-nagaras so as to ensure not a single jati or janajati is missed, of course keeping in mind a minimum population quorum. At the state and national levels, the logic will continue on the force of jati & janajati political primaries.

The mechanism will envisage a formula that will achieve maximum and equal jati & janajati representation at the grama/upa-nagara levels and push forward on the basis of candidates nominated by these local bodies who will again fight primaries for approval to be elected to state and national parliaments.  

At the State and National levels Districts and States will be equally represented.

Minorities will be allowed full participation to represent and safeguard their interests at all levels and each of their numbers will be equal to the numbers representing any one jati & janajati.

Personal and Criminal Laws

The Hindu state will not be a secular state. It will be a Traditional state and will pursue traditional Hindu policies of minimum government and complete social autonomy. Therefore, society will be governed by Personal Law. Jatis and janajatis will be allowed to evolve and have recognized personal laws unique to themselves and their situations. The same will be true of minorities.

The only factor that will go toward annulling a said personal law will be its proven capacity to harm and retard social health within the reach of its jurisdiction. In such cases, a reasoned via media will be encouraged – not imposed, by the Hindu state.

Criminal law should normally be uniform since crimes are generic in nature. A murder is murder and rarely does anyone go into the merits of the weapon and method of its occurrence in order to decide punishment as long as it is proved beyond reasonable doubt. Still there are traditions which prescribe a specific criminal code for its adherents. Such traditions will be respected by the Hindu state and enforced by traditional courts.

Punishment for crime will be generally much harsher in the Hindu state. Forms of punishment will be designed to deter and not to reform since reform is the responsibility of society and not the state.

Sports, Education & Funding in the Hindu State

Native sports will be encouraged and land procured to allow for a playground of set proportion for every defined number of population.

The three language formula will be regularized with the following guidelines –

  1. National Language – Sanskrit
  2. Required Foreign Language – English
  3. State Language

Provincial (peripheral) languages will be encouraged and provided grants.

The nature of education will focus on the Local, State and National spheres in that order.

Homeschooling will be encouraged.

Primary education will be free and compulsory but will not be controlled by the state. National Hindu and minority societies will be responsible for its spread amongst their people.

Funding, both domestic and international, will be funneled into local and national depositories for disbursement per proportion of population. Within the national Hindu society, such disbursement will be per population of jati & janajati.

Whilst jati & janajati based initiatives will be recognized, common or grouped initiatives will receive incentives from the state.

Vocational education will receive more attention and encouragement than graduate education.

In this situation, reservations will not be required since all jatis & janajatis will receive proportionate funding. In cases where specific jatis or janajatis require additional assistance due to the sheer nature of their disability, additional funding will be allocated all the while ensuring representatives of the said jati or janajati are in charge of its use.

Government and private hiring in the Hindu State

Whilst no reservation will be allowed in this area of activity, meritorious representation of local and state-level proportions of jatis & janajatis will be recognized and incentivized by the state.

Compulsory Military Service

The Hindu state will follow Savarkar’s dictum of “militarizing Hindudom”. This does not mean this nation will be a violent entity, but its citizens will be trained and prepared to meet any threat – internal or external. Such compulsory service will be followed up with heavily incentivized but regulated service in the social sphere.

Safeguarding the Hindu realm

As is evident, the Hindu realm will be safeguarded militarily and diplomatically. Concrete steps will be taken to populate border states with ethnically/climactically conducive Hindu jatis & janajatis. Such measures will receive security and incentive.

– Namaste

PS – All feedback is welcome.

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10 Responses

  1. On one hand you talk about jaatis, janajaatis etc., and on the other you ask for compulsory military service for which there is neither scriptural support nor a history (as in, the existence of a traditional custom to that effect).

    So what are your pramaaNas – seems like they are neither fully from tradition nor fully from modernity?

  2. You raise a very good point.

    Traditionally, we have had the Kshatriyas and also Republics and Kingdoms who have drawn their fighting men from amongst the Shudras. Similarly, our janajatis have depended upon their own men for defense and offense.

    In fact, if you agree with the above, we also begin to understand the underlying difference between jati and varna.

    Jatis and janajatis have even where they have deviated from occupation and diversified from living spaces, have retained their traditional identity. For instance a Gowda may no longer be a farmer but his identity and traditions revolve around what has been passed down. However, the Gowda may be part of a think tank and therefore a Brahmana by varna.

    So, if gunas can be inculcated and nurtured, then focus on sports and compulsory military education can indeed nurture the Kshatriya guna in our young people whatever be their jati or janajati.

  3. For me a Hindu nation means where:

    1) Followers of Dharmic religions will not be allowed to convert to Abrahamic religion. If a Muslim/Xtian marries a Hindu, he or she will have to convert to Hinduism.

    2) 2 child policy. I feel there is a need to control our population and because of this even the population of minorities will not increase.

    3) No caste based discrimination.

    4) Minorities will have the freedom to follow their relgion.

    5) Ban on Cow slaughter and Polygamy.

    6) Sanskrit should be the national language but it should not be compulsary.

    7) No discrimination against Homosexuals, Transgenders and Atheists.

    8) Hindu Holocaust museums should be created in different parts of Hindustan. I would say about 4 in each zone( North, South, East, West). Even in schools students will be taught about Hindu Holocaust/Genocide something which has been ignored in India.

  4. women are the most suppressed among all castes and more higher the caste higher the oppression.if u take a statistic of educated women in jobs which offer them freedom like IAS/IFS/IPS/Doctors/pilots/actresses etc they go for marriage outside their caste and religion. muslim women from mullah controlled localities too cross those barriers and to expect educated liberal hindu women to fall for caste is fortunately a mirage.
    the castes are in thousands and except a few ,pride in caste is fortunately nonexistent for the majority..caste is used as a mobilising tool for getting their legitimate share in the governance and not for pride.sachin pilot remains the lader of gujjars inspite of marrying sara abdullah and meira kumar /geetha reddy doesnt lose being dalit leaders after marrying non dalits.most of the leaders/artists/writers/politicians from the real obc/sc/st communities marry outside their caste and fight for eradication of caste.
    what will decide the caste in case of intercaste marriage like ur solution for interreligion marriages.the bonding by language is more powerful than religion and caste with education.fortunately sanskrit has become the language/possession of a single community and hence the attempts to sanskritise can easily be thwarted

  5. About-

    “Criminal law should normally be uniform since crimes are generic in nature. A murder is murder and rarely does anyone go into the merits of the weapon and method of its occurrence in order to decide punishment as long as it is proved beyond reasonable doubt. Still there are traditions which prescribe a specific criminal code for its adherents. Such traditions will be respected by the Hindu state and enforced by traditional courts.”

    You mean, you are not for a uniform civil code? This is the only place where I disagree with you. In a Hindu nation, only Hindu laws (that are finalized after consulting a representatives of a large majority of jatis and janjatis) should take hold. The rest who do not agree can be pleased by giving sops elsewhere. But don’t compromise with the laws.

  6. Very interesting read. I agree with these: Compulsory military service, safeguarding Hindu realm, language and education (esp for bringing up importance of local education although I think we must give equal importance to education in all spheres – local, state, national and beyond.) The idea of an organic Hindu nation of which minorities are a part is novel to me and hence I need to read more to form an opinion 🙂

    But I’m afraid your scheme is considerably weak on these two grounds.

    1. Equal representation

    Dont you think equal representation of jatis and janajatis ignores the social reality – that jatis are organized in a dynamic vertical hierarchy in which those at the top exercise and perpetuate their dominance, while those at the bottom seek to move towards the top to increase their social status ? Any scheme that puts jatis, which constantly strive to increase their social status relative to other jatis, on equal status with all other jatis is likely to lead to social tension which might ultimately resulting in the undoing of the equal representation scheme.

    I think equal representation has already been tried in India before, although in a very different way: Independent India with equality of the individual with all public office open to all individuals without discrimination. Increased access to public office brings tremendous benefits to a community: economic security, improved social status, and most importantly, power. Because of this, access to public office has become an area of power struggle between different jatis, the result being demands for sizeable fixed quotas and stiff resistance to the same. In a situation where everyone wants a larger share of the pie, will an equal opportunity scheme be accepted ?

    2. Law

    Freedom for jatis and janajatis to use their own personal laws may lead to abhorrent results. We have already seen what Muslim personal law leads to, in the absence of a uniform civil code. Personal law must be reformed from time to time to weed out unjust and obscurantist laws. But how can that be achieved without state interference in rigid closely-knit societies under the tight grip of dogmatic religious leaders who are resistant to reform and change? This applies to criminal law as well. For instance, I am not comfortable with allowing Muslim society to practice sharia laws that consider the testimony of a man to have greater weight than that of a woman, or laws that require amputation of limbs for certain crimes, or precribe death for apostasy.

    Also, what of those instances where a crime or dispute involves people from different jatis – there is considerable scope for confusion as to whose law must prevail ?

  7. caste system /culture/ethos remain distinct and survived because of monarchy,patriarchy and subjugation of women.alternate thinking and opinion where brutally crushed for the survival of distinct practises which make culture.
    adverse situations and prosperous situations both force loss of caste/culture/distinct characters etc.there where lakhs of tamils taken to south africa in nineteenth and early twentieth century.except names and surnames nothing remain now.the adverse situations faced by srilankan tamils has reduced the role of caste to negligible levels.the tamils in burma and sikkim have little caste and cross marriages with nontamils is the norm.
    males /kings/rajgurus had a ball and had the power to get new entrants into the caste and remove some from them which is impossible now.
    brahmin male marrying a kshatriya girl can get the offsprings in brahmin fold in 3 generations/vaishya in 5 generations/sudra in 7 generations etc but the brahmin female had no choice.the class of untouchables got created when women married below their caste which was prohibited.is it possible now to establish such discriminatory /barbaric practises.
    the role of male dominance in religion and caste is absolute.women empowerment will lead to the annhilation of both or make them a very pale shadow of the original
    .family planning methods of restricting children have resulted in quiet a bit of families without male children and they bring up their daughters like males in all aspects.caste and religion was flexible for the king/rajguru/soldier/priest/village head/landlord(adopting children born to ilegal wives/concubines for the post of even kings where common) etc and tough and rigid for the poorest and weakest.democracy by one vote for all makes all equal and organised leadership makes it flexible for all.
    the number of intercaste marriages will be negligible to least among temple priests and highest among IAS/Doctors/artistes/writers etc.
    the orthodox priest too wants his son to have professional degree as the first choice while its impossible for viceversa.hence the survival of caste for thousands of years should give little comfort for caste/jati/janjati lovers as democracy/feminism/atheism/liberal thoughts/communication/reach of media will make caste irrelelvant within a century.

  8. It is very much a sort of ‘dream come true’ concept that perhaps being a Hindu, I would very much want to envisage. I would aspire to live in such a Nation where Hindus predominate regardless of their jatis or janajatis. I would aspire to live in such a Nation where other religious practices are permitted in their space, but in their space only, without intruding into our space. I would aspire to live in such a Nation where no discriminatory privileges by way of astronomical percentages are bestowed upon communities based on their social status, head count and political considerations at the cost of Hindus. Yes, I would aspire to live in such a Nation. But to aspire all this……..

    Hindus should first know the intricacies that binds what Hinduism means. They should broadly know their ancestry, the Vedas, the Samhitas, Brahmanas, Upanishads, Smritis, Darshanas, Puranas, Epics, Bhagawad Gita, so on and so forth. I don’t mean they should know all this in a way the Muslims or Christians are tyrannically or autocratically taught. The Hindus, vastly ignorant of their origin and alarmingly drifting away to a pseudo-western culture, should be exposed to their elaborate ‘riti rivages’ in a delectable way, something like the ancient gurukul for instance.

    Hindus should be self critical. They should know the doctrine of karma, predestination and reincarnation. They should know the ethics, spiritual paths, the essence of gods & goddesses and their symbolic value in our day to day life. They should further know what various Mantras and sacred symbols mean, what signifies Gunas, what is creation, what is Moksha or liberation, the inherent non-violence in Hinduism and the role of Temples in Hindu society.

    What I mean is this knowledge should be broadly but imperatively imparted to the Hindus of a Hindu Rashtra so that they understand their identity first before establishing others. Hindus should first recognize that, as many scholars rightly described from ancient times, Hinduism is a way of life. Hinduism could not be destroyed as no invader or foreigner or practicing Hindu could explore Hinduism in depth. Its roots are embedded in mysterious sources. Its branches have invaded space. Hinduism is all pervasive, all inclusive and ubiquitous.

    Once the Hindu community comes to realize their illustrious and resplendent origins, then I am sure a Hindu Rashtra will emerge without a speck of doubt. Such an insightful and perspicacious society will fabricate a harmonious Nation undoubtedly. It would take time to come to terms with a society where all are termed equal regardless of their jati, janajatis, varna, faith so on and so forth. No doubt, there would come stiff resistence from within the current Hindu Society, the Brahmins particularly. But that is something that can be addressed politically.

    But I do have a problem with personal and criminal laws being left within the percincts of a particular community or faith. That would evolve into utter confusion especially in cases where there are inter-cast/religious affiliations. Moreover, the Muslims have a damned law in Sharia which abounds in pre-historic diktats rather than any civilized code of punishment. Christians too, perhaps, might come up with their autonomous norms of personal and criminal law ushering in utter confusion. Therefore a uniform civil code is imminent, yes. Only that can bind the entire nation under one code of conduct. And is that easy with Muslims especially let alone others if given an opportunity to intonate.

    My next problem would be with the role of Food that would be established in a Hindu State. Hindus now have evovled to become mostly vegetarians (I for one am not but that is beside the point) whereas there are castes that do eat meat and fish. What would be the prudence on eating Beef? What about cow slaughter?

    I do have a problem with equal representation in Parliament, if that is what I assumed in the context of representation. To qualify one from each unit of society would simply end up chaotic. There should be qualitative subjectivity in determining representation rather than quantitative objectivity. Let merit, popularity and amicability preceed equal representation. This would certainly eliminate the likes of Sonias, Lallus, Mamats, Karunas, Gowdas etc. from attempting to hold the nation to ransom.

    Otherwise, I can only A S P I R E ….long for the day I can live in a Hindu Rashtra with the doctrines preseribed by you unhindered by social stigmas, religious considerations or political ambitions.

  9. Thanks for your response. I begin to see that you likely have in your mind coherent meanings for the terms jAti and janajAti, but unfortunately I can’t extrapolate it out of the examples you have provided. Have you explicated on the meanings of these terms before? Or any other reference? Thanks again.

  10. The fundamental difference I have with Palahalli sir is his yardstick of nationhood? He believes the Hindu people should naturally have a Hindu state which re-presents their cultural legacy, aspirations & fear. I feel that puritan HIndu state is a reductionist approach cause I believe more than religion or culture, it is ‘geography’ that ascertains nation hood.
    As per geographical status, Hindustan culturally (I agree this is the correct word, not India) extends frm the end of Balochistan to the limits of Bangladesh ( perhaps, Myanmar & some Buddhist states can also be included). All the inhabitants of this geographical stretch have a common cultural link that is Hindu culture. Culturally, whether in Karachi or Benares or Chittagong, we are all Hindu.
    If this realization can be dawned upon the people of sub-continent again than we can have a Hindustan as it should be, in all its glory from stretching from Afghanistan to Bangladesh, from Kashmir to Kanyakumari.

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