Beef eating and Hindus – A discussion

–Varta follow-up–

Readers may access the original post here.

The following is an ongoing discussion on the subject.

Shri Harish writes –

Saw your post. You seem to base your argument on the Sattvic, Rajasic and Tamasic food. What about umpteen literature that begs for abstaining from beef eating? When all sorts of other meat products are okayed in Hinduism why harp on eating cows meat, the cow which is considered sacred.

He then refers me to this article and says –

It’s a matter of Hindu pride . And guess whats gonna happen if beef eating was sanctified by the Hindus. It’s as blasphemous as Gandhi yielding to the Muslims.

My response to Shri Harish –

The Cow is still sacred. It is sacred for two reasons.
 
1. It is revered as the “Mother”
 
2. It is revered as the “Provider”
 
It is also true that because the Cow was considered sacred, its meat was precious and shared as Prasada after  ceremonies. I have this on no less an authority than Swami Vivekananda.
 
Let’s analyze the link you sent me:
 
1. If these people were non-Hindu, did they then kill that Cow to use its meat thus? If yes, how would these same people have reacted if Hindus had viewed beef as Rajasic and not as something polluting? Who would dare insult Hindus then?
 
2. If these people were Hindus who ate beef ( and there are Hindus who have traditionally relied on beef), were they spiting their fellow Hindus for keeping them separate and away, because they were beef eaters? If yes, does this not hark back to the times we provided our enemies with a “stick” to beat us (convert) with?

My point to you is that if beef were accepted as Rajasic – which I say it is, its misuse is less likely and its value real. If beef were to continue being “polluting” and the Cow sacred in this sense, then our vulnerability continues to increases and makes our shrines targets of ridicule.

Shri Harish replies –

If its revered as mother I dont see a point in eating the meat of it!!

There is no dispute on beef being eaten during ancient times. But there are ample ancient references which talk of Go-hatya etc!!

From what I know Swami Vivekananda acknowledged beef eating by ancients but did not sanctify it. The Hindus as a community is characterized by a set of distinct features of which beef prohibition is one. If according to you if we sanctify beef eating and hence prevent such happenings as sent in the links. Then there are umpteen number of Hindu stuff which they can attack. Do you think one needs to give up idol worship to indeed prevent hatred by non-idolators? Do you mean to say de-Hinduise to hijack the Hindu-bashers’s agenda??

My reply to Shri Harish –

Well, there is a difference between considering the Cow sacred and viewing it as the Mother. Hindus who consider the Cow a Provider, can view the Cow as sacred. Such Hindus would be Rajasic in their approach to the Cow. Hindus who view the Cow as Mother will most certainly be Sattvic in their approach.
 
In insisting on a “Sattvic for all Hindus” approach we are forcing Rajasic Hindus to be extremely hypocritical in their thinking and practice. The Cow cannot hold any real value for them in such circumstances.
 
Your reference to Gandhi via a vis his attitude towards Muslims made me think more. I remembered Sri Aurobindo’s wise words on the effect of insisting on wholesale Non-Violence and how wrong Gandhi was in advocating such an approach. I see a perfect analogy in the case of the Cow. It is then not surprising that for the Hindu, like Non-Violence, the Cow has become a showcase of his hypocrisy towards its care.
 
Swami Vivekananda was merely stating a fact in our history. He does not seem to be viewing historical beef eating practices as somehow unholy. He is not deriding this diet. However, his reference to “beef, biceps and Bhagavad Gita” certainly speaks of his Rajasic approach to beef.
 
In my opinion, Hindus are characterised by a common sensical approach towards life. Such an approach looks to harmonising innate human nature with its environment. Wrt beef, a Rajasic personality better appreciates the value of the Cow and does not do anything that might degrade or devalue it’s existence. There is no hypocrisy. Similarly, the Sattvic personality know exactly what is expected in his approach toward the Cow and he is prepared to commit himself. So you notice the absence of indifference towards the Cow in these respective approaches.
 
The analogy with Idol-worship is misplaced because Hindus view their Idols very positively and therefore love them and take care of them. Even those Hindus that do not believe in worship of Idols know that there is innate value attached and more importantly, there is little scope for misuse by them unless they steal and sell Idols and this is an all together separate issue.
 
Far from de-Hinduising, I am asking for deeper Hinduisation of the Hindus.

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41 Responses

  1. Very well written and answered well. I would like to point out that most Hindus in Kanyakumari District of TamilNadu and most parts of Kerala eat beef. There is no class distinction or discrimination there. Just a thought!

  2. That’s a very important thought Anwin. Thanks for this information. I knew about Kerala, but did not know about Kanyakumari.

    When I speak with friends about Kerala one thought is it’s probably because of Muslim and Christian influence there however, other parts of Hindusthan that has Muslims and Christians in large numbers have not been able to influence beef-eating in Hindus. So, I’m skeptical about this theory.

    Would you or Harish perhaps have more information? I’m wondering.

  3. 1) Eating cows is “nishedah!”– forbidden in sanaatana dharma. If you are looking from a sanaatana perspective, it REALLY IS forbidden. There is no escape clause or loophole. If you actually like beef, its your personal issue, but just dont say Sanaatana dharma is OK with it.

    2) Regarding ancients eating beef, there cannot be a gross over-simplification. When certain kinds of major yajnas were performed, a sacrificial cow was killed and and the cow’s Havis (gall bladder?) used to be offered as purnaahuti to Indra, Agni, etc. That completely burnt meat was eaten as something that was returned by the Gods as prasaadam. Each vedic Deity likes certain kinds of Bulls and Cows of different colours and species.

    Now please understand that these Yajnas were performed by mantra-drashtaas– people who actually saw (drashta) mantras through their inner eye. So you can imagine what sort of people they were–they were the ones who gave us the vedas. And these yajnas were performed with chitta-shuddhi (purity of thought), total concentration, with minds only upon the Deva of the Yajna, and most importanly only for the welfare of the whole universe– NOT ishta-kaamyaartha (for fulfilment of personal desires).

    Hence, it is NOT equal to “eating beef”–not because there is not beef there(it IS beef, I agree), but because its not “eating” in our daily sense.

    The priests were not looking for that smoky barbeque flavour… they were sacrificing their mother, the gOmAta, so that the whole universe can be benefitted.

    At diferent times, even brahmins “tasted” beef (for the taste of it), and they were wrong. No exceptions. And now, if people eat beef in some part of the country, they are wrong as well. Simple.

    There cannot be any basis to condone this mahaa-paataka (great sin).

  4. I don’t see the logic in the statement here: a Rajastic personality better appreciates the value of the Cow and does not do anything that might degrade or devalue it’s existence.

    Does this mean that by killing you respect a Cow more than by not killing? That’s a quite awkward statement similar to the one I encountered from a manager of a meat wholesaler. He explained that since animals can not say that they don’t want to be killed it is ok to kill an animal. Though, this argument can be extrapolited to human beings who speak another language. And it has been: since African tribes were unable to explain that they didn’t like to shipped to America for the purpose of slavery it was considered ok by many to be in this business.

    Furthermore, heavy meats are not Rajasic by Tamasic according to Ayurvedic literature. Hence beef is Tamasic and not Rajasic as this article suggests. The article is well written though many issues remain debatable. For instance the statement that Cows have no value for Rajasic personality if not eaten (I have to repeat beef as a red meat is Tamasic) is certainly not correct. Whereas dairy products provided by Cows help to strenghten both bones and muscles of human beings because of calcium and protein, meat only contributes by adding protein. Weight lifters concentrate more on white meats which are Rajasic and far more easily digestible compared with red meats as beef and pork. The creme de la creme of the sporting elite focuses on a diet that is easily digestible for power and fitness. Why wrongly prescribe red meats as the solution for Hindus? Such information is simply incorrect.

  5. Manusmriti (Chapter 5 / Verse 30) says, “It is not sinful to eat meat of eatable animals, for Brahma has created both the eaters and the eatables.”

    Manusmriti (5 / 35) states: When a man who is properly engaged in a ritual does not eat meat, after his death he will become a sacrificial animal during twenty-one rebirths.

    Maharishi Yagyavalkya says in Shatpath Brahmin (3/1/2/21) that, “I eat beef because it is very soft and delicious.”
    Apastamb Grihsutram (1/3/10) says, “The cow should be slaughtered on the arrival of a guest, on the occasion of ‘Shraddha’ of ancestors and on the occasion of a marriage.”
    Rigveda (10/85/13) declares, “On the occasion of a girl’s marriage oxen and cows are slaughtered.”
    Rigveda (6/17/1) states that “Indra used to eat the meat of cow, calf, horse and buffalo.”
    Vashistha Dharmasutra (11/34) writes, “If a Brahmin refuses to eat the meat offered to him on the occasion of ‘Shraddha’ or worship, he goes to hell.”

    Also, comments of some great scholars of Hinduism are also worth noting:
    · Hinduism’s greatest propagator Swami Vivekanand said thus: “You will be surprised to know that according to ancient Hindu rites and rituals, a man cannot be a good Hindu who does not eat beef”. (The Complete Works of Swami Vivekanand, vol.3, p. 536).
    · Mukandilal writes in his book ‘Cow Slaughter – Horns of a Dilemma’, page 18: “In ancient India, cow-slaughter was considered auspicious on the occasions of some ceremonies. Bride and groom used to sit on the hide of a red ox in front of the ‘Vedi’ (alter).”
    · A renowned scholar of scriptures Dr. Pandurang Vaman Kane says, “Bajsancyi Samhita sanctifies beef-eating because of its purity”. (Dharmashastra Vichar Marathi, page 180)
    · Adi Shankaracharya’ commentary on Brihdaranyakopanishad 6/4/18 says : ‘Odan’ (rice) mixed with meat is called ‘Mansodan’. On being asked whose meat it should be, he answers ‘Uksha’. ‘Uksha’ is used for an ox, which is capable to produce semen.
    · The book ‘The History and Culture of the Indian People’, published by Bhartiya Vidya Bhawan, Bombay and edited by renowned historian R.C.Majumdar (Vol.2, page 578) says: “this is said in the Mahabharat that King Rantidev used to kill two thousand other animals in addition to two thousand cows daily in order to give their meat in charity”.

  6. Manusmriti (Chapter 5 / Verse 30) says, “It is not sinful to eat meat of eatable animals, for Brahma has created both the eaters and the eatables.”

    Manusmriti (5 / 35) states: When a man who is properly engaged in a ritual does not eat meat, after his death he will become a sacrificial animal during twenty-one rebirths.

    Maharishi Yagyavalkya says in Shatpath Brahmin (3/1/2/21) that, “I eat beef because it is very soft and delicious.”
    Apastamb Grihsutram (1/3/10) says, “The cow should be slaughtered on the arrival of a guest, on the occasion of ‘Shraddha’ of ancestors and on the occasion of a marriage.”
    Rigveda (10/85/13) declares, “On the occasion of a girl’s marriage oxen and cows are slaughtered.”
    Rigveda (6/17/1) states that “Indra used to eat the meat of cow, calf, horse and buffalo.”
    Vashistha Dharmasutra (11/34) writes, “If a Brahmin refuses to eat the meat offered to him on the occasion of ‘Shraddha’ or worship, he goes to hell.”

    Also, comments of some great scholars of Hinduism are also worth noting:
    · Hinduism’s greatest propagator Swami Vivekanand said thus: “You will be surprised to know that according to ancient Hindu rites and rituals, a man cannot be a good Hindu who does not eat beef”. (The Complete Works of Swami Vivekanand, vol.3, p. 536).
    · Mukandilal writes in his book ‘Cow Slaughter – Horns of a Dilemma’, page 18: “In ancient India, cow-slaughter was considered auspicious on the occasions of some ceremonies. Bride and groom used to sit on the hide of a red ox in front of the ‘Vedi’ (alter).”
    · A renowned scholar of scriptures Dr. Pandurang Vaman Kane says, “Bajsancyi Samhita sanctifies beef-eating because of its purity”. (Dharmashastra Vichar Marathi, page 180)
    · Adi Shankaracharya’ commentary on Brihdaranyakopanishad 6/4/18 says : ‘Odan’ (rice) mixed with meat is called ‘Mansodan’. On being asked whose meat it should be, he answers ‘Uksha’. ‘Uksha’ is used for an ox, which is capable to produce semen.
    · The book ‘The History and Culture of the Indian People’, published by Bhartiya Vidya Bhawan, Bombay and edited by renowned historian R.C.Majumdar (Vol.2, page 578) says: “this is said in the Mahabharat that King Rantidev used to kill two thousand other animals in addition to two thousand cows daily in order to give their meat in charity”.

  7. @sherule
    From where do u get these facts .these are totally rubbish facts .I have read manusmitri but never found whatever u have mentioned. it is same for the four vedas as well.
    Except these two sources I dont believe other hindu religious books like puranas .puranas were created to defame hinduism whis was primarily known as arya dharma..
    If u have any doubt den go ahead and read “GOKARUNANIDHI” by rishi dayananda..
    i request every hindu that plz dont get influenced by anything mentioned by Sherule.
    hum hinduon ki char maa kahin gayi hai …1. gau mata,2. bharat mata,3.janani 4, dharti mata..
    I have spent 18 years of my life learning vedas and other arsh granthas in gurukul and whatever she/he has mentioned is completely fictional.

  8. Vivekananda – What do you think of the Kanchi Paramacharya’s observations on the subject?

  9. Dear palahalli
    It is really not required whether Paramacharya has spoken on this subject or not(what i found from literature is that i spoke about vegetarianism) ;human beings are born as vegetarians. u will get a vast scientific proof on any general if u search.some of those i am mentioning here
    1. our intestines, teethes, gastric movement are matches with the vegetarian animals not with flesh eaters.
    we, human beings cant eat raw meat what other omnivorous animals can; beacause we are not supposed to.
    we will find numerous example if u search on this topic
    I strongly suggest you and other ambiguous Hindus to read

    http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org/gokarunanidhi/gokarunanidhi.htm
    this link . it will open your eyes.

  10. @sherule
    i have a link on Vedas and other books here
    http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org/
    i challenge you or any other non-Hindu to show me that beef eating is mentioned in Vedas.

  11. what kind of attitude is this!!!if it is not suiting your views you are just denying your own scriptures!!
    beef eating has been a controversial issue in India for quite a long time.beef is a suitable issue for igniting hatred and it happened(still happening) many times.if it is proven that it is permitted in Hinduism, many vested interests will have problem.
    But please don’t deny your sacred scriptures for such trivial issues :)( btw i have quoted the vedas in my reply )

    http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?213159
    http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?213159

  12. I came across some lopsided logic about Hinduism & cow, the mother till date not only to thy Hindus but to every human beings. Every human child is breast fed by its mother for the first six months in general. After that period what is the most natural human baby food? No question of caste creed or religion, whoever a pagan may be, if one speaks sincerely, anyone will accept cow as an alternative mother, the next mother, closer than surrogate-mother.

    How can it be thought a human behaviour to drink the milk also and to eat the meat?

    Whoever anti-Hindu vermin are trying to defame Hindus should realize that there was a time when Hindu Rishis were so powerful that they could make any beheaded human or other animal alive. Once Parshuram had killed his own mother to obey the orders of father Jamadagni but immediately he begged for her life and she was alive. In such time when life could be given, taking it was not a crime. How could it be a crime?

    Whatever is not poison, whatever helps to our life is food; but which food for whom is clearly defined in Hindu script so my humble request please don’t speak bitter words against the feelings of a large number of most patient human race

  13. what about goats.we drink milk of goat also 🙂

    so can we eat mutton ?

  14. if the arguement of scriptural sanction is held valid then the important question is what changed the mindset of the hindus?the eminent historians thrust the first part in our face while pretending ignorance about the second aspect which i think is more important.

  15. I agree.

    To my mind the change started with Buddhism gaining ascendence.

  16. palahalli,
    i’m yet to see any evidence that supports your views?
    some say it is due to mahavira also.but no evidence.if you have any thing that points to that i’ll be thnkfl if you post.

    as for buddhism all the buddhist countries are as much vegetarians as islam/christos.so either buddha’s teachings were ignored or were simply absent on this count.i seem to have read somewhere that buddha when offered non-veg food accepted it.

    you have pointed to some sanskrit granths in support of the scriptural thesis.i don’t know whether you have access to any religious authority but if you have can you pls. seek their comments on the shlokas quoted and the meaning adduced to them?i had tried to contact some people,one in sanskrit vidya peeth and another an arya samaji saint.while the vidyapeeth scholar just dismissed the interpretation quoted by you as well as the “eminent historians” as adducing wrong meaning to the word GO,the arya samaji saint showed me many verses from vedas to highlight that killing of animals was a prohibited act,even meriting a spear into the culprits head.so the status of scriptural consent for me is very confusing at present.
    but it is a fact that the “eminent historians” while feeling very gloated at this revolutionary discovery landing in their lap due to some work done by p.v.kane,they have neither cared nor have the will to pursue a true historians job,in trying to decipher the mechanism of this revolutionary change in a complete society’s thinking which if your scriptural interpretation is correct is placing complete trust in the scriptures which on some count seem to be prescribing the opposite of the current societal desire.

  17. Ashwani,

    I have made the point that the ascendency of the Ashokan Buddhist State with its legal injunctions forcing vegetarianism on an inherently meat eating population, could have been a huge factor.

    Of course the mass seem to have taken to these new rules in a reaction against excess of the opposite kind.

    I have never heard of a matching Jaina influence. Perhaps its overly austere charachter discouraged many folks.

    See, Buddhism has always lived with the society it has grown in. Therefore you will see that in many countries where Buddhism spread, have all retained their original charachter. This is also the reason why I say it was not so much the Buddha’s teaching but Ashokan statist insistence that effected our society.

    The issue of Cow slaughter is very controversial and so not many want to be seen on the “wrong” side of the debate. It is also true that the pro-slaughter or anti-ban camp is infested with folks who love to project a progressive and anti-Hindu stance. This is all very muddy.

    To my mind there are plenty of such issues where Hindu organizations have played into the hands of anti-Hindus. One such is this issue.

  18. palahalli,

    could you please explain/direct to some doc. rgrdng reasons of ashoka’s vegetarianism.i’m not sure but i’ve probably read some where that a lot of animals used to be killed in ashok’s kitchen,probably including peacocks.

    also since ashok was a buddhist how & why the brahmins & non-buddhist kshatriyas forsake their scriptures so easily?was their no resistance.

    then after the advent of shankara why the society did not revert?

    was shankara a protagonist of beef eating?

    most surprising is ashok’s vegetarianism,specially banning beef.

  19. palahalli,

    also for the idea that vedas prescribed beef some religious authority needs to be consulted to testify about the truth of this statement.
    maybe shankaracharya.

  20. Ashoka was known to have ordered his kitchen to drastically reduce meat. There were only a few that were still allowed to be prepared.

    One reason resistence was muted could have been because it became a State mandate.

    Shankara has been variously described as a Buddhist of some degree. It is evident that Hindu society borrowed a lot from Buddhism including certain fetishes.

    You might find this interesting.

    http://www.kamakoti.org/hindudharma/part5/chap23.htm

  21. palahalli,

    if the resistance was muted during ashok’s reign,people could have easily reverted afterwords,probably his reign may not have been more than 50 yrs.if people change their food habits so drastically so easily,they may be very amenable to very drastic changes otherwise also.in fact would they care about anything.?
    probably living in fear as a habit,after consuming beef for millenia to boost their kshatra guna.

    also:-
    1. why ashok gave up on meat?
    2. why & where are strong edicts against beef only?

    rgrdng the link:-

    in the link he talks about animals in general,but has not mentioned cow in particular.also he talks about the amount of meat consumed as the size of a pea.

    1.does this suffice to assume that what he is saying supports beef eating in hindus?
    2.if he really implies that then he is afraid to spell the truth,thus is not credible.

  22. Ashwani, please read the link attached. You might have read it already.

    http://navayana.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/jhaexcerpt.pdf

    We can discuss it when your ready.

  23. palahalli,

    yhnx for the link.i’m reading now.

  24. palahalli,

    thnx for a vry infrmd piece of writing from the very respected pen of sh.Ambedkar.it covers most of the points i had raised with you.

    for the moment it will take some time for me to fully absorb his range of arguements with my limited faculties.i shall revert to you when i’ve done that and we shall resume then.

    thnx agn.

  25. palahalli,

    btw is the content in the link totally a product of sh.Ambedkar’s pen or only a part is,as the title of the link suggests it to be a excerpt of the book by jha(probably d.n.jha).

  26. The content is Ambedkar’s. No doubt.

  27. palahalli,

    i have read the link and am ready to receive your views.

  28. Well, by and large it does seem irrefutable that ancient Hindu society was meat eating and this included beef.

  29. palahalli,

    what is the evidence that you think supports your view?

  30. what more arguments ?religious scripture is quoted with verse.there is a malayalam proverb…one can awake only a sleeping person , not one who pretends that he is asleep!!
    previously some one (to support that beef is prohibited for hindus)even refuted the scriptures saying it is fabricated!!!!

    one thing i don’t understand is, if some one doesn’t like it ,they don’t have to eat it.but why do they prohibit others from eating it? there is kind of pressurising technics used in many states to do that.

    according to hindu scriptures vishnu has an avatar of matsya(fish) also,so tomorrow people will say fish is sacred don’t eat that!!!
    this kind of inducing and forceful methods of one’s belief into other people’s sphere can not be accepted. that is also a kind of fascism.

  31. Ashwani, sorry for the delayed response.

    I, however, have little else to add apart from what I have already said. If there is anything on your mind, please feel free to share with us.

    dist – I don’t think to prohibit beef is fascist. If it was, then I feel every country and every society in the world would qualify for that label.If not beef, then something else.

  32. palahalli,

    pls. take a look at the link below:-

    http://www.sriaurobindoashram.org/ashram/sriauro/downloadpdf.php?id=30

    i’m also currently reading it.i hope you will find it useful.

  33. Thanks a bunch. Will read through.

  34. नमस्ते|

    श्लोक ४५: “यो स हिंसकानि भूतानि हिनस्यात्मसुखे …. ”
    जो व्यक्ति अपने सुख कि इच्छा से कभी न मारने योग्य प्राणियों की ह्त्या करता है, वह जीते हुए और मर कर भी कहीं भी सुख को प्राप्त नहीं करता है|

    श्लोक ४६: “यो बंधन वध क्लेशात प्राणिनां …..”
    जो व्यक्ति प्राणियों को बंधन में डालने, वध करने, उनको पीड़ा पहुंचाने की इच्छा नहीं करता, वह सब प्राणियों का हितैषी बहुत अधिक सुख को प्राप्त करता है|

    श्लोक ४८: “नाकृत्वा प्राणिनां हिंसा …..”
    प्राणियों की हिंसा किये बिना कभी मांस प्राप्त नहीं होता और जीवों की ह्त्या करना सुखदायक नहीं है| इस कारण मांस नहीं खाना चाहिए|

    श्लोक ५१: ” अनुमन्ता विशसिता निहन्ता …..”
    मारने की आज्ञा देने वाला, मांस को काटने वाला, पशु को मारने वाला, पशु को मारने के लिए क्रय – विक्रय करने वाला, पकाने वाला, परोसने वाला, और खाने वाला, ये सब हत्यारे और पापी हैं|

    श्लोक ४७ तथा ४९ भी देख सकते हैं| इस सबसे यही सन्देश जाता है कि मांस भक्षण कि स्वीकृति नहीं है| वेद में भी इसका निषेध है| मनुस्मृति वेद को प्रमाण मानती है| अतः यह स्पष्ट है कि मनु का क्या मंतव्य है|
    please read satyarthaprakash.. if u r one who takes only logical reasoning for everything and not a spoon feeder i bet your life will be changed

  35. You mean..we shud stop not only beef but the entire no veg items 😮

    LOL…

    ok you don’t have to eat if u believe in that ideology ..but there are millions of people who have different view points ..let them eat what they want to eat….

  36. BTW the scriptures you mentioned are more sacred than the following ?

    Manusmriti (Chapter 5 / Verse 30) says, “It is not sinful to eat meat of eatable animals, for Brahma has created both the eaters and the eatables.”

    Manusmriti (5 / 35) states: When a man who is properly engaged in a ritual does not eat meat, after his death he will become a sacrificial animal during twenty-one rebirths.

    Maharishi Yagyavalkya says in Shatpath Brahmin (3/1/2/21) that, “I eat beef because it is very soft and delicious.”
    Apastamb Grihsutram (1/3/10) says, “The cow should be slaughtered on the arrival of a guest, on the occasion of ‘Shraddha’ of ancestors and on the occasion of a marriage.”
    Rigveda (10/85/13) declares, “On the occasion of a girl’s marriage oxen and cows are slaughtered.”
    Rigveda (6/17/1) states that “Indra used to eat the meat of cow, calf, horse and buffalo.”
    Vashistha Dharmasutra (11/34) writes, “If a Brahmin refuses to eat the meat offered to him on the occasion of ‘Shraddha’ or worship, he goes to hell.”

  37. k friends. carry on with your discussions whether to dat beef or not. any way i am going. today beef is on my menu for lunch.and one thing. in kerala we eat beef not because of muslims and communism. its only because of its taste.

  38. i am from kerala and here everyone eat beef.in home we usually buy buffalo meat.but in the hotels cow meat is the only thing.i am a hindu and i eat beef.not just me more than 95 percent of hindus in kerala eat cow meat.here the taste wins over manusmrithi.

  39. I have seen snakes being displayed and once the patron selects the snake, either a venomous cobra or a non venomous green one, the Chef’s Mate skillfully slaughters it which involves the removal of the poison glands and the non edible parts, later taken to the Kitchen for cooking it as per the patrons taste.

    These incidents are not of my visit to China, as I have never been there, but in the north east Indian states.

    Dog meat is a common item, and no one complains.

    I simply dont understand how anyone can compare a heifer to ones MOTHER, as these bovines are nowhere human and I cannot imagine anyones Mother being tied to a post and her teats pulled for milk after being fed Grass!!

    I still dont get it when a heifer gets slaughtered at an approximate age of 42 months, she can never be considered a Human’s Mother.

    Unless logic is thrown out the window, then would Pigs fly and Cows be some Idiots Big Momma.

  40. Hi keralites,

    Im a fellow keralite and i love beef, i exercise and i find it a good food and tasty too, good that allof you consider it mother, cos we keralites get to eat it at 100rs a kilo, otherwise it will become costly like mutton 300 rs a kilo!!! boy i dont understand you all can eat goat and sheep but will spend hours debating whether beef is holy, but i bet once you eat beef you will throw all these debate and enjoy the taste and dont forget to eat the kerala beef olarthiyathu aaah very tasty

  41. Hariharan, the subject is sensitive for Hindus. Yes, it should be, even for those that consume beef.

    Im very sure our Kerala brethren wont be as blatant as you seem to be, about pork in the middle-east. Hindus are at least debating in a civilized manner.

    Please display some respect.

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